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erase
08-20-2009, 04:36 PM
After many months away from what some call "the hobby", I fell off the wagon and felt I could handle some restrained activity.

I had two encounters with girls from well-known outcall services, and five days after the second I came down with a serious case of the Clap (ironic, since I was doing this for years with no obvious problems). To compound things I was out of the country and was not able to get treated until three days after the onset of symptoms. This was not fun - day one was pus and painful urination. Day three involved blood. Yuck.

So I'm trying to figure a few things out, and was wondering if anyone was unfortunate enough to have some experience here.

But first some background.

The first recent encounter (possible exposure) was 22 days before the start of my symptoms. It involved brief BBBJ, covered FS, and was actually somewhat rushed. I think I made a point of peeing and washing right after all the single SOG, which had been a habit of mine. I'm thinking this encounter is less likely to be the cause.

My second encounter was 5 days before the start of my symptoms. The girl was pretty wild, and open to some higher risk stuff like BBBJTC (which I did) and Greek (which I did not do, although her listing indicated she did). She did a lot of BBBJ, and stuck her tongue in my urethra. Intercourse was protected, of course. I also for some reason did not pee and wash right after. To me, she seems more likely to have been the source.

I'm trying to figure some stuff out, like which girl I got it from, and wonder if anyone can share their (painful) experiences here. I also hope this will be a helpful warning about the risks of BBBJ, since this has been discussed recently.

To those of you unfortunate to know, how much time passed between your encounter and the start of symptoms?

Anyone else want to weigh in with bets as to which girl it was? I am planning on contacting the agencies but any advice on how to approach this would be nice (I'd really rather contact the girls since it's their personal health info, but I know this isn't possible and I'm not going to pay for a date just to do this, although I thought about it). I will respect the forum policies about publicly proclaiming people infected, but would share the info by PM - keep in mind I really don't know for sure since I saw two girls. It could be both of them, but at least one must have G.

Also to those of you who have been treated, how long after starting antibiotics did it take for most or all of your symptoms to go away? I certainly saw a big improvement after 48 hours, but there's still some pain and redness.

Please be careful out there - this hurt like hell and I thank god I don't have a "straight" sex life where I could have infected someone.

This may be just what I need to stay back "on the wagon" , but like they say it is very hard to retire for good.

Mod 11
08-20-2009, 04:43 PM
This is a warning to all posters interested in participating in this thread.

Suppositions, accusations and allusions to ANY providers, might them be advertisers here or not, well known agencies or obscure unknown, will not be tolerated. At the first SP or agency mentioned, the person who will mention the name will get suspended and the thread will be cleaned and likely closed.

We all know how these threads usually end with false accusations and often plain vengeance without proof. Please ensure this thread won't turn this way.

Erase, if you feel like mentioning names (not that I feel you do) please contact one of the Mod and be ready to provide proofs.

I allow this thread to stay because I believe there's a good chance to have an intelligent discussion. Please everybody, don't make me wrong.

Thanks.

erase
08-20-2009, 04:50 PM
This is a warning to all posters interested in participating in this thread.

Suppositions, accusations and allusions to ANY providers, might them be advertisers here or not, well known agencies or obscure unknown, will not be tolerated. At the first SP or agency mentioned, the person who will mention the name will get suspended and the thread will be cleaned and likely closed.

We all know how these threads usually end with false accusations and often plain vengeance without proof. Please ensure this thread won't turn this way.

Erase, if you feel like mentioning names (not that I feel you do) please contact one of the Mod and be ready to provide proofs.

I allow this thread to stay because I believe there's a good chance to have an intelligent discussion. Please everybody, don't make me wrong.

Thanks.

Thanks for keeping the thread alive, and I agree completely that public disclosure of the girls or agencies involved is just wrong for all sorts of reasons.

Is it permitted to exchange this information by PM? If this is also prohibited I'll respect that. In retrospect I'm not sure spreading this kind of info even by PM is fair, although it could depend on the context of the PM (i.e. if someone else got infected by the same girl). What I'd like to think is that telling the agency they will advise the girls, who will consider taking appropriate measures which are ultimately up to them.

To the providers, I realize it's a little unfair as it would also be nice if you could get the identities of infected clients.

Mod 8
08-20-2009, 05:43 PM
Hello erase,

Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM.

Mod 8

erase
08-20-2009, 09:54 PM
Hello erase,

Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM.

Mod 8

Agreed. It's also possible I got it from girl 1, then exposed girl 2 to it myself. So if nothing else the second girl should be advised so she knows she might have been exposed by me.

erase
08-21-2009, 07:26 AM
I pulled this off the Center for Disease Control (US gov) web site. I think it answers most of your questions regarding latency period. Hope it helps.


Thanks for this info, Lanum.

Most of the sources I consulted give this 2-5 days as the "typical" onset period, which points to girl 2 as the most likely source. The "up to 30 days" means I can't rule out the first girl though.

Note that I'm not actually trying to conduct a witch-hunt to figure out who the guilty party is - it does not really matter. I would like to know because the exact time of my infection could shed light on some other health issues I had.

erase
08-21-2009, 07:41 AM
Hello erase,

Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM.

Mod 8

Dear concerned merb-ites,

I've decided that I will respect this policy so please don't PM me to ask the names. If you really want to avoid this nasty experience, you may need to rethink the wisdom of BBBJ. I could tell you both girls' names, and then you still might get it from the next girl who gives you a BBBJ. Obviously for the providers I hope this might help awareness (don't get me wrong - the providers seem to have the most wisdom here) that they may be vulnerable to infection from this source as well. I hate to be a prude, but this really sucked (no pun intended) and it could have been avoided. I actually had a number of very nice CBJ experiences before, and was at the point where BBBJ wasn't so important to me but I would accept if offered. If I do more hobbying I will ask for a condom for our mutual protection.

If someone else convinces me they were also recently infected, and wants to compare possible sources by PM, I might be willing to discuss some some details (not promising names) by PM. I am really just interested in determining the date of my infection as it has some implications for my treatment and some other health issues. Also both girls should know as they should be treated if necessary as even asymptomatic G can have serious health repercussions for women if not addressed.

Also I will contact the agencies today, preferably by PM on this board (if I can find contact info), and hope they will take appropriate action.

I hope this is acceptable to the mods. I would like to thank merb for providing a health forum to discuss this unpleasant but important topic.

erase
08-21-2009, 04:34 PM
Today I called both agencies and let them know what happened.

Interestingly, the guy on the phone for the second girl (who either infected me or might have been infected by me) seemed dismissive of the idea that gonorrhea could have been transmitted by BBBJ - claiming it could only have been from penetration. I asked him for his word that he'd relay the info to the girl and see that she gets checked out, and he said he'd do it.

The agency guy for the earlier girl I saw, who I think is less likely the source, seemed to take the info more seriously and was a bit more convincing when he promised that he'd pass the info on to her and make sure she got tested.

The doctor who treated me was also a little surprised that it was from oral sex, but did agree that it was possible. For sure I only had the two encounters, and they were both protected FS and BBBJ. So one or the other must have caused it.

I suppose it's remotely possible that I didn't use proper technique when removing the condom after FS - this doesn't change the fact that I must have got it from one of the two girls, but there's an extremely slim chance I didn't get it from BBBJ (actually this thought is even scarier, since it means the protected FS is not even safe). Still there is a ton of info from reliable sources stating that you can indeed get G from unprotected oral sex. You'd think an agency owner would know this...

erase
08-22-2009, 08:32 PM
The treatment I was prescribed was to take a single large dose of azythromycin (2 grams, which means eight 250 mg pills), and I took this on Tuesday. I was advised that the symptoms should be cleared up or at least greatly improved within 48 hours.

Two days later there was a big reduction in discharge, much less redness, and the pain was less acute. However in the last couple of days (now 4-days after the antibiotic) there seems to be a resurgence in the discharge (i.e. pus leaking out of my willie).

The 2g azythromycin is also supposed to treat chlamydia, so I don't suppose it's a question of also having this and getting the wrong antibiotic.

I'll call the clinic again Monday, but would be interested if any others who've had this treatment can weigh in on how long it took to clear up.

For what it's worth, I am still waiting for the actual culture results (I had the swab test, which didn't seem so bad, not the urine test). However the doc took one look at the discharge and redness and pronounced that it was "definitely" gonorrhea.

john_eh_mcduff
08-25-2009, 08:00 PM
Mod 8 wrote:
"Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM."

I am firmly against this board policy because it puts the health of all members at risk for the sake of the reputation of the agencies. This is called censorship and should not be allowed. More importantly, it can have the effect of punishing ALL the agencies, where many clients will reconsider booking an appointment and decide to wait until the problem is resolved, resulting in a short term loss of income for all agencies. So in fact, everyone loses. Rather than actually identifying and doing something about the problem. As Mod 11 said, be prepared to provide proof. If Erase can provide medical documents then the source (the SP) should not only be notified, but MERB members should be made aware.

lgna69xxx
08-25-2009, 08:27 PM
it's a really delicate situation,for sure, but it is Merb's rules, and w/o 100% proof, it could be slander towards the women in question...... so what can you do? to be safe, dont play, or go the CBJ route until things "blow" over (pun definately intended) :D




Mod 8 wrote:
"Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM."

I am firmly against this board policy because it puts the health of all members at risk for the sake of the reputation of the agencies. This is called censorship and should not be allowed. More importantly, it can have the effect of punishing ALL the agencies, where many clients will reconsider booking an appointment and decide to wait until the problem is resolved, resulting in a short term loss of income for all agencies. So in fact, everyone loses. Rather than actually identifying and doing something about the problem. As Mod 11 said, be prepared to provide proof. If Erase can provide medical documents then the source (the SP) should not only be notified, but MERB members should be made aware.

Mod 8
08-25-2009, 09:11 PM
Hello john,

If erase, or any other member, can provide us with the lady's medical documents, with her permission of course, that show that she is the source of the transmission, then and only then would we allow her to be identified on MERB. If erase were to provide us with his medical documents, all that would prove is that he is infected but it would not validate the source. The only other option would be if the lady herself were to come forward and admit she was the source of the infection. Anything less is not sufficient proof to allow a name to be posted on the board or sent around by PM.

If it is discovered that any such information is being sent around by PM, any member responsible will be permanently banned as a result.

If you cannot prove it, do not post it.

Mod 8


Mod 8 wrote:
"Disclosing the information by PM to anyone other than a moderator or the agency involved would also be prohibited. You have to understand that sending the information by PM will end up with it being spread throughout the membership tarnishing at least one innocent person and it will eventually get back to a mod. I would advise that you contact both of the ladies concerned as well as their agencies. If we can help in any way, please do not hesitate to contact us directly by PM."

I am firmly against this board policy because it puts the health of all members at risk for the sake of the reputation of the agencies. This is called censorship and should not be allowed. More importantly, it can have the effect of punishing ALL the agencies, where many clients will reconsider booking an appointment and decide to wait until the problem is resolved, resulting in a short term loss of income for all agencies. So in fact, everyone loses. Rather than actually identifying and doing something about the problem. As Mod 11 said, be prepared to provide proof. If Erase can provide medical documents then the source (the SP) should not only be notified, but MERB members should be made aware.

Halloween Mike
08-25-2009, 09:51 PM
Got to admit it scare the shit out of me, having all this disgusting stuff....yeeek, and im also on the "he should post it" side, even tought i understand the negative effect it would cause. I remember when there was this disease in the Maple Leafs Sausage. Sure it was panic, i had my mother and grand-mother calling me to put any hot dog sausage i had in the trash, no matter the name on it, wich i did. Then later we knew what it was and the source, but i was still happy i lost a few bucks trashing a couple sausage for my health...

erase
08-26-2009, 06:43 AM
I found a way to solve the problem:

JUST STOP SEEING HOOKERS. :rolleyes:

I think this is pretty much it. There is always an element of risk, which may be fine for many since most of the infections you can get are easily treatable.

On the other hand I know there are a lot of guys on here who are married, for example, and are getting BBBJ from escorts and might also still be having sex with their wife. Here I think you are taking a huge risk where you could have some very difficult explaining to do.

erase
08-26-2009, 07:14 AM
I just saw the recent debate about the disclosure policy, and wanted to weigh in with why I think it's right to adhere to this.

First, there are still a number of uncertain things here. I don't know which of the two girls I got it from, although the second girl either gave it to me or was exposed by me (the probability of male to female transmission is very high, especially since she did CIM).

Also, while my doc took one look at willie and said "yep, that's gonorrhea", I still don't know my swab culture results (whether it might be chlamydia, which is similar, instead of or in addition to G). If it's really G, the odds fall much more heavily on the second girl because symptoms typically come on in around five days. If it's C, it could more easily be either. There's a remote chance it could be some generic urinary tract infection, although I highly doubt it. Still, I don't even have my own full medical record yet. However it's pretty clear that I got an STI, and I was only doing BBBJ and covered FS.

If I did have the medical records for the infected girl, it would be illegal to disclose this information without consent and so I can understand the Mod's concern here (I know, I know, there's already much that might be illegal here but this is different). I highly doubt the girl would consent. Note that, in purely legal terms, a girl's health info is none of the agencies business (I realize that in practical terms the reality is a bit different).

Given that I don't and will probably never have the girl's medical file, and given the uncertainty discussed above, any disclosures would just be gossip and rumors, which also puts the Mods (and me) at risk.

The point of my thread was that, in general, it is quite possible to get G, apparently from unprotected oral sex. I could give the names, you could decide never to see either of the two girls, and still the next girl you see *might* infect you. We shouldn't be in denial about these risks - for many it might be ok, but I didn't really think it could happen to me and in hindsight I wish I'd stuck to CBJ or stayed in "retirement".

For what it's worth, the agency for the first girl seemed to take it somewhat seriously when I contacted them. The agency for the second girl was kind of dismissive. The scary thing is that this second girl, who is very likely infected, is still working this week even though I contacted them.

Strictly speaking, if either of these girls might be asymptomatic carriers the very least that should be done is that they get a single-dose prophylactic antibiotic treatment, and not have any kind of unprotected sex (i.e. no BBBJ) for at least a week after that. Perhaps they are now only offering CBJ - this I wouldn't know.

As far as tarring all the agencies with the same brush, I know it might seem unfair but anyone who doesn't appreciate some degree of risk with any agency is fooling themselves. The same thing applies for the agencies with respect to clients - they have to assume that any client could be a psycho, STI carrier, cop, whatever. It's just due diligence.

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hormone
08-26-2009, 03:41 PM
Also, while my doc took one look at willie and said "yep, that's gonorrhea", I still don't know my swab culture results (whether it might be chlamydia, which is similar, instead of or in addition to G). (...) There's a remote chance it could be some generic urinary tract infection, although I highly doubt it.

The point of my thread was that, in general, it is quite possible to get G, apparently from unprotected oral sex. I could give the names, you could decide never to see either of the two girls, and still the next girl you see *might* infect you. We shouldn't be in denial about these risks -

For what it's worth, the agency for the first girl seemed to take it somewhat seriously when I contacted them. The agency for the second girl was kind of dismissive. The scary thing is that this second girl, who is very likely infected, is still working this week even though I contacted them.



First of all , erase, I'd like to say you have conducted this discussion in a very fair and neutral fashion. Congrats on that.

Second, wether it be G or C you got and will test positive for, I hope you got treated for both, as they often co-exist and co-infect. "Simple" urine infections in men do not give pus coming out of your penis, so this is clearly ruled out.

Third, which is of bigger concern. It is likely that the girl who infected you carries this STI only in her throat and not in her "genitals" if I can say it like that. Unless she gives BBBJ and then has sex without condoms on the same partner, maybe in her private life. So when one contacts an SP or an agency and the girl goes to get tested, unless she is totally forthcoming with her doctor, it is likely the doctor will not test her with throat swabs. She will then receive a "clean bill of health" from the MD and sadly escape treatment and continue to spread the disease unknowingly.

Aside from totally safe sex (i.e. CBJ and of course covered FS), the only chance to keep the SPs as clean as possible is to have regular testing of all orifices. We should not see this as the girl's fault... after all, the girl got it from someone too!!

MG_mtl
08-26-2009, 04:12 PM
For what it's worth, the agency for the first girl seemed to take it somewhat seriously when I contacted them. The agency for the second girl was kind of dismissive. The scary thing is that this second girl, who is very likely infected, is still working this week even though I contacted them.

Kinda scary don't you think???:eek: Have you tried contacting them again about it? Was the guy you spoke to the owner of the agency or just the booker. If so, I would ask to speak to the owner.

I understand the whole policy (even thought I don't fully agree with it), but the fact is Erase is infected and the chances are he has given it to the two ladies in question even if they didn't give it to him. So is it normal to see one of those ladies advertised here on Merb? Are the mods comfortable with THAT?

Jack_Bauer
08-26-2009, 05:03 PM
Hello john,

If erase, or any other member, can provide us with the lady's medical documents, with her permission of course, that show that she is the source of the transmission, then and only then would we allow her to be identified on MERB. If erase were to provide us with his medical documents, all that would prove is that he is infected but it would not validate the source. The only other option would be if the lady herself were to come forward and admit she was the source of the infection. Anything less is not sufficient proof to allow a name to be posted on the board or sent around by PM.

If it is discovered that any such information is being sent around by PM, any member responsible will be permanently banned as a result.

If you cannot prove it, do not post it.

Mod 8

If you could obtain the lady's medical documents, you'd have greater powers than law enforcement. Since there were two encounters within a relatively short timespan, seems to me that there are at least two providers who are a potential danger to themselves and others.

Evidently, these ladies with whom the thread starter had encounters will never agree to anything, since it is against their interest. They will not put their livelihood at risk and worse, they risk becoming blacklisted by all agencies when their time with their current agencies, is up.

I know it's difficult to tell the truth from a post on a site such as this, where the poster himself remains unidentified.

However, if I were a betting man, I'd say "erase" sounds very credible. Either that, or he wins the Fake Dick Disease Award for fiction.:D

That said, something needs to be done about the recalcitrant agencies/girls, who are hiding their heads under the sand.

I understand the Mods' concern in that they are not privy to directly verifiable information and hence, they cannot form an opinion either way. However, it doesn't mean that something cannot be done about it, outside the confines of this site.

Other than alerting some of the BBBJ diehards here about what may await them, I'm afraid this site will not do much to help the thread starter's very legitimate goals, which as I read this thread, are:

1. To have the girls who are likely infected, get immediate treatment;

2. To prevent other users from getting infected and propagating the disease further.

Since this site is a dead end for anyone who gets infected, then erase has only one choice: failure by one or both agencies to take immediate action is a matter for a third party intervenant who deals with health issues.

And by taking "immediate action", I mean that the least those agencies should be doing, is sending both alleged infected providers home for the time it takes for them to get thoroughly tested.

Again, even if the agencies acted quickly and diligently, there would be no way for erase to ascertain that they have done so, given the very shady nature of this business.

Some hobby. When I purchase a product or service that is a function of a real hobby, I always have a guarantee to fall back on. But, when one purchases the services of a provider who doesn't take basic health precautions, then all you're going to get is her gorilla backer standing up for her and making you realize even more, that the few minutes of pleasure obtained within the confines of their bacteria-infested "agency" environment, was merely the symbiosis of your lack of judgment paired with a human being who represents nothing more than a rented mule to the "agency" where this happened.

So we can't PM about this. Or name names. But, the owners of the pigsty that continues to pretend there is no medical issue here without taking a serious look at the very convincing approach made by erase, should continue to be denounced, even if they can't be identified, just so that other "owners" of their ilk, are put on notice.

I would urge erase to do what it takes to take it to the next level. The pigsty owners may not be accountable to this site, but their bacteria-infesting ways are of definite interest to a higher authority.

Another solution might be for erase to contact STELLA (an org. that helps providers) and ask them what ressources are available to get the girls tested and help nip this in the bud. This site allows STELLA to post employment ads, so I suppose I can take the email from their ad and post it here: stelladirection@ videotron. ca

If I'm erase, I'd contact STELLA, name the girls and their agencies, and ask them how this can be dealt with expeditiously and effectively. I'm sure they've seen these situations before and know intervenants who can get results.

Good luck.

Voyager
08-26-2009, 05:35 PM
but the fact is Erase is infected and the chances are he has given it to the two ladies in question even if they didn't give it to him.

If I'm allowed to play devils' advocate, and I'm sure there will be some who won't allow it, but here goes...

is it really a "fact" that Erase is infected? Has he shown his health report to a Mod? Is there any verifiable proof that not only is he infected, but that he saw the ladies he is referencing? The Mods have offered their assistance, but has he taken them up on the offer?

Erase has been out of the hobby for quite awhile, yet the very first time he sees a provider he contracts an as-yet-unknown (since his test results are pending) STD via a bbbj? Quite the coincidence!

Now I'm not doubting the veracity of his story, since Erase seems sincere in his warnings. But in reading his initial posts, it appears he was trying to solicit similar stories as opposed to an actual warning. It just struck me as a bit odd, so I remained silent.

I wish Erase all the best in his health issues, but I hope everyone has that "grain of salt" handy...

Regards,

Voyager

Jack_Bauer
08-26-2009, 05:47 PM
is it really a "fact" that Erase is infected?


That's it, Erase. You've been caught.

Turns out you're a shill for Fake Dick Diseases.

Only on this site.:D

Voyager
08-26-2009, 05:52 PM
That's it, Erase. You've been caught.

Turns out you're a shill for Fake Dick Diseases.

Only on this site.:D

Thanks for proving me right...
If I'm allowed to play devils' advocate, and I'm sure there will be some who won't allow it

Although it happened quicker than even I thought it would...

Mod 8
08-26-2009, 06:11 PM
Hello everyone,

The moderators have not been given any more information about this than has been posted on the board. We have not been asked to intervene or to contact the girls or agencies involved and cannot do so as we do not know who they are. We also do not know if they are or are not advertising on MERB.

Erase does have other options open to him. He can file a complaint with the board of health or with the police department but doing either of these would likely require him to identify himself to them as well as admitting his activities which he may not be comfortable doing. As has been mentioned, he may also contact STELLA.

We have no reason to believe that erase is not telling the truth as he seems very credible and has shown no intention to cause a panic or to spread rumors about any specific person and how he proceeds from this point is totally up to him.

But as I have posted before, we will not permit any names to be posted without an admission or proof to back it up.

Mod 8

erase
08-26-2009, 07:10 PM
Jack and others, thanks for the comments.



Either that, or he wins the Fake Dick Disease Award for fiction.:D


Man, that will look good on my CV!



So we can't PM about this. Or name names. But, the owners of the pigsty that continues to pretend there is no medical issue here without taking a serious look at the very convincing approach made by erase, should continue to be denounced, even if they can't be identified, just so that other "owners" of their ilk, are put on notice.


I contacted the second agency again, and will give the account in a separate post. Was not particularly impressive.



Another solution might be for erase to contact STELLA (an org. that helps providers) and ask them what ressources are available to get the girls tested and help nip this in the bud. This site allows STELLA to post employment ads, so I suppose I can take the email from their ad and post it here: stelladirection@ videotron. ca


This is an interesting option. I will keep in mind...


Good luck.

Thanks!

erase
08-26-2009, 07:14 PM
Erase has been out of the hobby for quite awhile, yet the very first time he sees a provider he contracts an as-yet-unknown (since his test results are pending) STD via a bbbj? Quite the coincidence!


I keep asking myself the same frickin' question - can you imagine how much I wish I'd stayed in retirement?

erase
08-26-2009, 07:35 PM
I called the guy at the second agency again tonight, and made sure that the message had gotten through.

He claimed that the girl got checked out on Monday, and that she had "absolutely nothing". Also this guy just kept insisting that it is impossible to get G from oral sex, which contradicts pretty much everything I've been able to find in sources ranging from Wikipedia to the CDC. Claims he works with a doctor who specializes in STI's and this guy tells him that G can only be transmitted by unprotected vaginal sex.

I also pointed out that many women are asymptomatic carriers, and it's not clear that anyone can give the all clear until swab and blood cultures come back, which might take a day if you have direct access to a testing lab (I haven't heard my own results after more than a week).

I was sitting in front of my computer during the call, and read the passages on Wikipedia (same as other more reliable sources) about asymptomatic carriers and transmission by oral sex to him over the phone, but he just wouldn't budge. "Been doing this for X years and no client ever caught anything, etc." Kept suggesting I should Google about Gonorrhea and I'll see it can't be spread by oral sex.

I tried to make it clear that, even if I didn't get it from her, I did CIM and she should really be given proper prophylactic treatment and diagnostic tests, but he just basically blew me off.

So maybe, just maybe he had her examined by their doc first thing Monday morning and he took blood and tissue cultures and was able to pull strings to get the results the next day. And maybe these tests showed she was clean (although at l'Actuel they made it very clear that some tests are pointless unless administered more than three weeks after the contact).

Anyhow you can make what you want of this info. If the guy had sounded less dismissive, without insisting that G can't be transmitted by oral sex, and told me that he had her tested and was a little more convincing about how they can have such a definitive result so fast, maybe I would believe it. However this is where I'm having to take this with a whole boatload of salt.

Is anyone else familiar with this notion that G can't be transmitted by oral sex? I can tell you I've done a lot of reading over the last week and the only person who told me this was this agency dude. I can assure you - I did two girls, BBBJ and covered FS. Now I have what can pretty confidently be pronounced as G, although as I've said I'm still waiting for the cultures (it's easy to see when you have it, much harder to know you don't have it).

It was never my intent to pursue this until it got nasty, so I'm not going to push any further where the agency is concerned. However this is certainly a wake-up call for me...

Also let me reiterate that the agency of the first girl I saw seems to be taking it more seriously (I don't know exactly what they have done or will do, just that they expressed a lot more interest and concern).

e

Special K
08-26-2009, 10:49 PM
Ok. Enough with the semantics, how about giving the name of the agency / booker you spoke with who was so dismissive of your plight?

lgna69xxx
08-27-2009, 01:17 AM
not a good idea there K . :rolleyes:




Ok. Enough with the semantics, how about giving the name of the agency / booker you spoke with who was so dismissive of your plight?

Mod 8
08-27-2009, 06:33 AM
Hello SK,

No names also includes the agency or booker being identified. Doing so without naming the SP involved would put suspicion on all the agency's girls. This is not acceptable.

M8


Ok. Enough with the semantics, how about giving the name of the agency / booker you spoke with who was so dismissive of your plight?

Mr.Jean.Chretien
08-27-2009, 07:20 AM
Hello SK,

No names also includes the agency or booker being identified. Doing so without naming the SP involved would put suspicion on all the agency's girls. This is not acceptable.

M8

so help me understand...

a) this board is designed for sharing info correct? positive experiences are more readily acceptable than negative experiences?

b) if I have a great time with a lady, i can share the experience and her details so that others may also benefit from her services?

c) if I catch a sexually transmitted disease from an SP, I cannot share the info for public safety reasons, thus allowing other members to be exposed even after I know about it?

d) even if I follow the logic of contacting the agency and the SP, it doesn't guaruntee that she will cease all activities immediately, does it?

Bottom line - not sharing the info is simply negligent from a public health stand point.

Regardless of how you rationalize the enforcement of the rules of the board...

in this case it seems that the potential damage from a so called rumor out weighs the public safety concerns of board members and lurkers?

MG_mtl
08-27-2009, 08:56 AM
Hello SK,

No names also includes the agency or booker being identified. Doing so without naming the SP involved would put suspicion on all the agency's girls. M8Yeah, so what? If an agency owner doesn't give a shit about the SP's (and their health) that work for him then maybe that's the type of info I need to know when I book a girl, don't you think?

Voyager
08-27-2009, 09:29 AM
that's the type of info I need to know

Mods,

I've changed my mind, and seen the light!!

I think Erase (assuming his story is true) should identify both girls/agencies even though he has no way to know which of the girls gave him the STD. This should be done immediately and with the sanction of the MERB Mods, Admin & community.

Also, given this new era of posting any information necessary to protect the health of the community, the agencies MUST post the names & handles of all clients that saw these ladies. I would think those who saw them during the week prior to Erase's encounter, and since then, would be satisfactory. That would allow them to get checked themselves, and also those members could then post the names of the ladies they have all been with since then, so those ladies could be checked... oh, wait, then those ladies would need to tell us the guys they have been with, etc, etc, etc.

Of course, this is all due to an as-yet-unverified, unsubstantiated, although sincere allegation, but the overriding health & safety of the community must be protected.

I'm not out to protect the guilty, I would just prefer to wait before others gather 'round the hangin' tree...

The Mods have offered to help, but Erase has chosen not to take them up on it. Why not?

Bottom line - not sharing the info is simply negligent from a public health stand pointWhat info? Hearsay, innuendo, rumors? Nothing has been verified, by anyone. Once the story has been confirmed, I will be the first to say "POST IT"

Until then...

Voyager

naughtylady
08-27-2009, 09:32 AM
I see only one good solution: CBJ. (Like this will become the norm??? Wishful thinking!)

Either that or quit hobbying (like that will ever happen!)

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

MG_mtl
08-27-2009, 10:15 AM
What info? Hearsay, innuendo, rumors? Nothing has been verified, by anyone. Once the story has been confirmed, I will be the first to say "POST IT"
Valid point... Ahhhh... the voice of reason... I wish I wasn't so dam impulsive sometimes.:rolleyes:

But once that's done (if eraser ever chosses to prove it's not all BS), then "POST IT" as you say.:D

Mod 8
08-27-2009, 10:25 AM
Hello everyone,

This is starting to become more than a little tiring. The policy of MERB is clear and it has always been clear. We will not allow names to be posted without concrete proof. This policy will not change no matter how much you complain about it. Posting any such information without proof will open MERB to possible legal action and we are not about to allow that to happen.

If anyone has something useful to add to this discussion, please do so. But if the discussion continues to focus on publicly identifying the persons involved, it is not going to happen and this thread will be closed.

Mod 8

Special K
08-27-2009, 10:34 AM
Hello everyone,

This is starting to become more than a little tiring. The policy of MERB is clear and it has always been clear. We will not allow names to be posted without concrete proof. This policy will not change no matter how much you complain about it. Posting any such information without proof will open MERB to possible legal action and we are not about to allow that to happen.

If anyone has something useful to add to this discussion, please do so. But if the discussion continues to focus on publicly identifying the persons involved, it is not going to happen and this thread will be closed.

Mod 8

Ok then why not just delete all responses to this thread, leave the original one and close the thread? That makes more sense than allowing the original poster to spout off on the dangers of bbbj and the lack of concern by the offending agency, which in my opinion, is this persons agenda, but, we know what they say about opinions. :rolleyes:

SK

erase
08-27-2009, 11:39 AM
Ok then why not just delete all responses to this thread, leave the original one and close the thread? That makes more sense than allowing the original poster to spout off on the dangers of bbbj and the lack of concern by the offending agency, which in my opinion, is this persons agenda, but, we know what they say about opinions. :rolleyes:
SK

This is indeed my agenda - this is the health forum, after all. It was not a pleasant experience that continues to be stressful, and for whatever reason this has been my way of dealing with it. However I also think that this has been beaten just about to death.

Take the info I posted however you want to, and with the skepticism due anything you read on the internet.

e

Jack_Bauer
08-27-2009, 12:00 PM
so help me understand...

a) this board is designed for sharing info correct? positive experiences are more readily acceptable than negative experiences?



This board appears to be designed for its admins not to get sued and to not unduly rattle its advertisers, otherwise freeloading chumps like us, wouldn't be able to access it for free.

Lots has happened since this site has been up. Most of it going in the sense of less information, more precautions taken against producing defamatory statements or invading the privacy of those who don't wish to be written about.

Public health? Yeah, right. Doesn't look like a major concern to many users here otherwise, I suspect they'd be pursuing another "hobby".:D

Mod 8
08-27-2009, 12:17 PM
Hello Jack,

I would like to remind you that it is the moderators that run this board, no one else. In case you have not noticed, we have banned advertisers before and we have in the past allowed the disclosure of a provider's name when we had valid proof. We have no fear of rattling anyone's cage. We will not however allow the posting of unsubstantiated statements or rumors about anyone, advertiser or not, member or not. We also do not allow any provider to post allegations against any client without proof.

Would you prefer a board that allows any and all allegations to be posted about anyone with no proof ever required?

If anyone has any further points to make, you have until 10 PM tonight. At that time this thread will be closed and will only be re-opened in the case of new information pertinent to the thread topic being received.

Mod 8

erase
08-27-2009, 12:49 PM
Closing the thread tonight is fine by me - thanks to all who participated and hope you don't get this.

e

Jack_Bauer
08-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Hello Mod 8, just being facetious. I fully appreciate the outcome of writing something that is unsubstantiated. I thought referring to us as "chumps" would have provided enough of a hint that I was being sarcastic. ;)

Back to the thread's topic, it seems obvious that the thread starter will not get any more mileage out of this thread, in terms of where he initially wanted to go with this.

It's rather unfortunate cause there is something important at stake, namely attempting to stifle the propagation of disease from the 2 providers that Erase has written about. I think he's made his points quite convincingly.

On the plus side, we've given him several options that could help him nonetheless curb the mentality of those salons who are pretending there is nothing to worry about. If it's happened to Erase, anyone of us could be next. I just hope Erase takes it to the next level. I am certain that he should be able to do something without necessarily compromising his identity. In the end, the health authorities or whichever other intervenant is called into this, is more concerned about propagation than they are about Erase's identity. At least, Erase is taking care of himself. Those girls who infected him? Not so sure.

And yeah, I choose to believe Erase. Unless someone else can suggest a government body or independent outfit who can effectively intervene without compromising Erase's identity, I think we've pretty much tackled the main issues.

Jack_Bauer
08-27-2009, 01:00 PM
I see only one good solution: CBJ. (Like this will become the norm??? Wishful thinking!)

Ronnie,
Naughtylady

I think this is a fair point.

It may not be a wake up call for everyone, but at least, those who were uncertain about the risks they were taking, may have cause to reconsider. It's definitely a step in the right direction.

Halloween Mike
08-27-2009, 03:05 PM
In the news they always share info even if the law says you are innoncent until proven guilty.They just say "the presumed suspect" or something like that. I mean sure they are not guilty whitout any proof, but like some said i do think the name of the agency at the very least should be divulged. Of course the booker will say he dosen't care if he is protected here... i mean cmon...

If somebody tell me there is a grocery in the province with contaminated meat, but dosen't tell me wich one, i will not stop eating meat because of that since i am a big meat eater and hate vegetables... But i would really apreciate he tell me wich store.

Same goes here, members won't stop hobbying and booker/agencies know it, but if there name are divulged, it will hurt there business therefore they be more willing to update us on the status on the particular girl and remove her from the listing. I think its common sense and altought i understand a moderator job since i did it many years on different website, i do find weird there decision on that.

breadman
08-27-2009, 04:21 PM
If somebody tell me there is a grocery in the province with contaminated meat, but dosen't tell me wich one, i will not stop eating meat because of that since i am a big meat eater and hate vegetables... But i would really apreciate he tell me wich store.

.

...and then you find out he's a vegitarian

Mr.Jean.Chretien
08-27-2009, 04:36 PM
good luck verifying anything on a board where everyone has an alias and SPs have a vested interest in making money...

time to close this thread...

Voyager
08-27-2009, 04:37 PM
In the news they always share info even if the law says you are innoncent until proven guilty.They just say "the presumed suspect" or something like that. I mean sure they are not guilty whitout any proof, but like some said i do think the name of the agency at the very least should be divulged. Of course the booker will say he dosen't care if he is protected here... i mean cmon...

I'm sure that explaining libel, slander, etc as it relates to Newspapers, TV & Radio reports would fall on deaf ears...

OK, how about if someone were to post that Halloween Mike has an STD, and that every agency, Indy and MP should refuse you service? Although there isn't any proof, they would be protecting the health & safety of the community! You'd support that, right?

Next time, stay on the bus until you get to TO....

Sheesh,

Voyager

Jack_Bauer
08-27-2009, 04:38 PM
...and then you find out he's a vegitarian

I think it's a fair point.

On a site where everyone has the priviledge of remaining anonymous, you're going to get accountability issues, every time someone brings up a disturbing incident like the one exposed in this thread.

The Mods' hands are tied, as they can't allow the posting of information that becomes potentially libelous if it can't be directly or authoritatively verified. So, we're left to ourselves in terms of how we choose to process any given message.

A dose of healthy skepticism is always in order, whether on this thread or any other offering on this site.

And since we've come full circle on this, I can't wait for this thread to be shut down.:D

Mod 8
09-08-2009, 05:14 PM
Thread re-opened by request of erase, the thread starter, so that he may post his follow up.

M8

erase
09-08-2009, 06:14 PM
Just a followup, almost a month after my symptoms showed up. It's been a bumpy ride.

As described in my initial post, three days after my initial (and tentative) diagnosis with G, I was prescribed a single large dose (2 g) of the antibiotic azithromycin, which was supposed to clear up all symptoms in 48 hours. Two weeks later, I still had some pain and discharge so I went back to the clinic.

I was rather shocked when I was told that all my tests had come back negative! I had been tested for gonorrhoea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis - all negative (BUT see below). This was pretty confusing, as I had very painful, messy symptoms that the first doc thought were pretty definitely G.

On this second visit, I was seen by a different doctor. He repeated the swab test and went much deeper (ouch!) This time, he said he'd have them look under a microscope in the in-house lab at the clinic. The lab confirmed that they definitely DID see gonorrhoea in the sample, so the first test was a false negative. I did notice that the first time, the doc didn't stick the swab in very far. However I had so much discharge at the time that it was possible to get lots of material just from the opening. Apparently this can give a false negative result as they really have to get the swab in there (if done correctly, it should hurt).

Since I was now apparently confirmed as having G, and since it didn't seem to be responding to the first antibiotic (there was improvement, but nowhere near complete recovery) he prescribed another single-dose treatment of a different antibiotic - ciprofloxacin (500 mg).

It's now been almost a week after taking the cipro (and almost a month after getting infected), and I still have some discharge and pain, after two courses of antibiotics. In my reading on G, I've frequently come across the statement that, in the US, the only treatment currently recommended by the CDC is treatment using a third generation cephalosporin antibiotic such as Suprax or other injectable equivalents. Some doctors may be reluctant to prescribe the 3rd gen cephalosporin if you are allergic to penicillin, but apparently it is now considered safe (http://www.jfponline.com/pdf%2F5502%2F5502JFP_AppliedEvidence1.pdf) (obviously you should tell your doc about any allergies, and discuss this option with him or her - health info on the web to be taken with big grain of salt).

This is apparently due to the fact that cipro and azithromycin are now ineffective against strains of G found in many parts of the world, including parts of North America. My second swab sample is supposed to get cultured, so they can see what antibiotics might be effective. The thing is, they schedule followup appointments in a month, so I won't find out fast.

Anyhow, I just wanted to post a followup with these really painful lessons:



A test for gonorrhoea can give a false negative result (apparently the pee test is best)

Everyone says that G can be easily treated with antibiotics, but it might not always be so easy.



Stay safe,

e

Special K
09-08-2009, 08:27 PM
Thanks for the update, can we put this to bed for good now?

erase
09-09-2009, 07:19 AM
Thanks for the update, can we put this to bed for good now?

Sorry K, but I think someone might find this info helpful. I am finding out that gonorrhoea can be tricky to diagnose, and difficult to treat due to increasing antibiotic resistance. I wish I had known before that this sh*t is really no joke -



“Doc, I think my son has gonorrhea,” a patient told his urologist on the phone. “The only woman he’s screwed is our maid.”

“Ok, don’t be hard on him. He’s just a kid,” the medic soothed. “Get him in here right away and I’ll take care of him.”

“But, Doc. I’ve been screwing the maid too and I’ve got the same symptoms he has.”

“Then you come in with him and I’ll fix you both up.” Replied the doctor. “Well,” the man admitted, ” I think my wife now has it too.”

“Son of a bitch!” the physician roared. “That means we’ve all got it!”

Kepler
09-09-2009, 02:48 PM
It's now been almost a week after taking [the second treatment] and I still have some discharge and pain, [...] The thing is, they schedule followup appointments in a month

First, I want to say that I found this thread very informative.

Second, is this for real? You're still in pain and the next appointment is in a month? How is this acceptable? What about going to a different clinic to get that 3rd-gen antibiotic right now? Even if I had to go to a private clinic or an emergency room, it seems like it would be worth it.

As for the reportable disease thread: Aren't there anonymous clinics in Montreal? I seem to remember one being near the Guy metro station.

erase
09-09-2009, 04:17 PM
First, I want to say that I found this thread very informative.

Second, is this for real? You're still in pain and the next appointment is in a month? How is this acceptable? What about going to a different clinic to get that 3rd-gen antibiotic right now? Even if I had to go to a private clinic or an emergency room, it seems like it would be worth it.

As for the reportable disease thread: Aren't there anonymous clinics in Montreal? I seem to remember one being near the Guy metro station.

Glad you found this info useful. That is some small solace in a very sorry affair.

Actually, I was going to call the clinic to schedule another appointment since the second antibiotic does not seem to be working. However they beat me to it - they called me the other day asking me to come in this week (kind of scary, since I also had an HIV test). I am guessing they may have cultured my bacterial sample and found it to be cipro-resistant (the colony in my urethra certainly seems to be laughing at the cipro). Hopefully we'll try the suprax next.

Keep in mind that the one-month followup was scheduled right after they prescribed the second antibiotic, probably expecting that would clear it up. I am very nervous though about why they called me in much sooner.

One scary possibility is "disseminated gonococcal infection", which has to be treated with IV antibiotics as an in-patient in the hospital (try explaining that to the wife). I think it might be time to stop reading.

I think the clinic I went to was one of the anonymous ones - I'm not sure how the anonymity works. I am going to ask when I go back this week... I was thinking of calling the Dept. of Public Health, but felt kind of stupid.

e

Dr Edgar Who
09-09-2009, 05:58 PM
Glad you found this info useful. That is some small solace in a very sorry affair.


I too read your posts and am very happy you posted this info.

Your posts certainly have me rethinking BBBJ and may also cause me to re-evaluate my hobbying choices (eg: fewer agency girls, focus on indys, esp ones I actually believe see fewer clients).

One thing that does surprise me is that I had what seemed to be a urinary tract infection earlier this summer and your post freaked me out a bit so I went to a clinic, they didn't find anything (pee test) and the symptoms went away. I asked the Doctor there about G and she seemed very confident that it was nothing to worry about (I had also read about antibiotic resistant strains online). I guess maybe you are exceptionally unlucky but, if a new strain of G has hit our city then it can only spread. Certainly my readings suggest that G was pretty much beaten not long ago but this is changing. (Note that I am not a medical doctor).

Long time hobbyists who have a "been there, done that, no problem" should know that things change... G was once a big deal and may be so again.

Thanks and good luck!

Dr Edgar Who
09-09-2009, 08:25 PM
To all interested :

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/sti-its-surv-epi/ciprofloxacin-eng.php

erase
09-10-2009, 12:45 PM
I went to the clinic this morning, after they called me to come back shortly after my second set of tests. I was pretty nervous, especially since the most recent tests included HIV (irrational, but hard not to be a bit worried). Fortunately the HIV and all the other stuff (herpes, syphillis, chlamydia) were all negative.

Turns out they confirmed it is indeed gonorrhea (don't know why my first test was negative) AND by testing different antibiotics on my bacterial cultures they found that it was indeed resistant to both of the antibiotics they'd initially prescribed. They hadn't initially given the CDC-recommended antibiotic due to some allergy concerns, but I showed them the articles I'd found (from credible medical journals - for example this one (http://www.jfponline.com/pdf%2F5502%2F5502JFP_AppliedEvidence1.pdf)) and the doc agreed it was worth taking a chance with the intramuscular injection of 125 mg Ceftriaxone. I agreed to wait around in the clinic for a good chunk of time after the shot in case of a reaction, and the doc assured me that they had the materials on hand to treat a reaction just in case.

Turns out this IM injection hurts like hell, but that's normal for about 15 minutes and I had no reaction. I am hoping that this kills the little buggers (the bacteria) once and for all.

I guess I can say that I was treated at l'Actuel, and that they have been great (wish they'd given me the Ceftriaxone in the first place is all, but maybe it's just as well not to overuse this antibiotic).

Hope nobody else gets this (both SPs and clients),

e

erase
09-11-2009, 07:47 AM
Ok, Ceftriaxone is the sh*t (in the good way)! 24 hours later and already it seems like things are on the mend... finally!

So if you do catch this, make sure you ask that the clinic does a good (deep) swab and tests your cultures for antibiotic resistance. For good measure ask for the pee test too.

If I'd had the right antibiotic in the first place, this would have cleared up three weeks ago.

Special K will be happy if this is finally the end...

e

Halloween Mike
09-23-2009, 05:53 PM
I just want some info from you Erase just in case(we are never too carefull)

1) When you say burning sensation, its like a lot, very painfull or just an annoying sensation. Because for exemple one time i was worried i may had something in the head, i had pain in the back of my head for a week or so, but that wasen't very painfull, more annoying than anything. Turn out it was just because i was watching tv in a wrong position and that was the neck/back of head muscle who where hurt. Lot of worry for nothing, i stoped doing that and it faded away.

2) Pue, lot of it or was it just a little bit?

3) Again when urinating, really painfull?

4) As for blood, lots of or just a little bit, for exemple if you take a kleenex, it really become red like when you pierce a pimple?

Im asking all of this of curiosity and in case if sometimes i would catch something.

erase
09-24-2009, 08:09 AM
I just want some info from you Erase just in case(we are never too carefull)

No problem:


1) When you say burning sensation, its like a lot, very painfull or just an annoying sensation. Because for exemple one time i was worried i may had something in the head, i had pain in the back of my head for a week or so, but that wasen't very painfull, more annoying than anything. Turn out it was just because i was watching tv in a wrong position and that was the neck/back of head muscle who where hurt. Lot of worry for nothing, i stoped doing that and it faded away.

I've had mild burning sensations in the past, but this time it was way worse. It was hard to walk and act normally due to the pain. The irritation of my urethral lining got so bad that there was a certain amount of blood, resulting in blood and pus stains on the front of my underwear.


2) Pus, lot of it or was it just a little bit?

Quite a lot - just taking my dick out of my pants, I'd typically see a big glob of white pus at the tip. As mentioned above, the front of my underwear were quite stained.


3) Again when urinating, really painfull?

Really painful. Also, spontaneous nighttime erections were very, very painful - presumably due to stretching of the urethra. Ironically I didn't have sex or jerk off for a while, so the nighttime erections became more and more of a problem. About a week after my first (only partially effective) antibiotic, I broke down and very carefully masturbated - it was a painful, but relieving experience.


4) As for blood, lots of or just a little bit, for exemple if you take a kleenex, it really become red like when you pierce a pimple?

The pimple analogy is good - about three days after starting symptoms (was travelling so did not treat right away) the pus got to be bloody. Enough to leave clearly visible blood stains on my undies.


Im asking all of this of curiosity and in case if sometimes i would catch something.

Hope you don't, but that this helps. It seems like there is something else a lot of us might have had that causes minor burning - I used to thing maybe a latex allergy? Don't worry - if you get what I had there will be no mistaking it. You will have no choice but to go for treatment. Just hope your wife doesn't get it...

e

jimmy.the.great
09-24-2009, 11:17 AM
Hello john,

If erase, or any other member, can provide us with the lady's medical documents, with her permission of course, that show that she is the source of the transmission, then and only then would we allow her to be identified on MERB.
Mod 8

lol are you for real ??? just say you will not do it period, dont take us for dumb asses by putting such a condition
imagine the police having a similar policy , only if the criminal leaves a signed and notarized letter at the crime scene that we would move ahead and arrest him
on the other hand making it 100% public is like the sex offenders registry in the states it fucks up people
however PM is not public , it will not show in the search or google

other wise you are simply a toy in the agency hand, how do we actually know for a fact that MERB didnt fall in an agency operator hands already, it would be very smart move to buy MERB if i was an agency owner,

or if i was an organized operation outfit ..

Mod 11
09-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Mod 8 is for real, no worries.

You need to understand criminal faces the Criminal Justice System, they face the Law, not some anonymous MERB Mods. Big difference. Police have investigative powers and resources MERB Mods don't have.

MERB aslo face the Law. The Law prohibit the publication of false information on a person and put the challenge of proving what's published on the publisher. MERB can be seen as a publisher. If MERB allow members to post unfounded accusations, MERB can face legal actions. It have nothing to do with protecting the advertisers an the same rules would apply if the accusation was made against a Craiglist provider or a streetwalker.

I think it is pretty simple.

Halloween Mike
09-24-2009, 12:37 PM
Thank you Erase, that clarify that very well. Yeah i hope i never catch anything like that, worst part is like you said you just came back in the hobby, so even a guy like me who do that 1 time per 3-4 months have a chance, hope it never happen.

Wish they could just vaccinate us right away for all these shit :rolleyes:

Mod 8
09-24-2009, 12:51 PM
Hello jimmy,

If the lady or the agency or agencies involved were to come forward themselves with a statement, that would also be permitted. You are making a comparison between MERB moderators and the police performing an investigation. How would you propose that we perform such an investigation? Would you expect us to physically force the lady to have a medical examination against her will? MERB is an internet discussion forum. We have no legal standing and no right to interfere in anyone's private life.

If we discover that any name connected with this or any other unproved accusation is circulating via PM, those involved will be immediately and permanently banned from MERB.

As far as any agency having any control at all over what is or is not posted on MERB, I can tell you that no agency has now, has ever had or will ever have such control. If any agency did buy MERB from Fred Zed, there would be a mass resignation of the moderation staff. No agency controls MERB or what is posted here. The moderators and only the moderators have such control.

Finally, if you remember, there has been at least one case where an STD infection was posted on MERB as it was confirmed by the SP involved and the situation was resolved.

When proper proof can be provided we have no problem with allowing the information to be posted. When there is no proof and no admission by the party in question, there is no possible way we can allow it to be posted.

This is MERB policy and it will not be changed no matter how many members complain or post about it.

Now, if anyone wishes to discuss any MERB policy, please start a separate thread for it in the Lounge. Continued discussion of policy in this thread is considered off topic and will only result in the closing of the thread.

Mod 8


lol are you for real ??? just say you will not do it period, dont take us for dumb asses by putting such a condition
imagine the police having a similar policy , only if the criminal leaves a signed and notarized letter at the crime scene that we would move ahead and arrest him
on the other hand making it 100% public is like the sex offenders registry in the states it fucks up people
however PM is not public , it will not show in the search or google

other wise you are simply a toy in the agency hand, how do we actually know for a fact that MERB didnt fall in an agency operator hands already, it would be very smart move to buy MERB if i was an agency owner,

or if i was an organized operation outfit ..

Dr Edgar Who
09-28-2009, 07:37 PM
gonorrhea is also another sexually transmitted disease however it has medication, Sulphur is the most commonly used medication, however it is a disease that is best to prevent than cure

Sulphur? If you want to do it old school then how about silver nitrate? Sheesh!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonnorhea

I'll stick to antibiotics if I ever have the misfortune...

erase
09-29-2009, 06:58 AM
gonorrhea is also another sexually transmitted disease however it has medication, Sulphur is the most commonly used medication, however it is a disease that is best to prevent than cure

Looking at the URL in the signature, I think this is a spam post. If it was my board, I'd delete it.

Mod 11
09-29-2009, 09:31 AM
Good catch Erase. Spam direct from Sri-Lanka. Post deleted and user banned.

drinkher
10-25-2009, 02:27 AM
so after reading 5 pages of mod member arguments i figured check the blue
and no thread whatsoever im sure if some of you have info that you would like to share there are places where it can be done hint hint

on the other hand if an agency were to sue this board for whatever reason it would probably
make front page of journal de montreal and cause amazing morning show ethics debates

if an advertiser here on merb where to promote a 22 year old sp in the advertizing section
and she gets to my house and i see she's more like 29 can i sue the board for letting its
advertisers knowingly produce false information on this board

well i hope i don't get another month suspension for general shit disturbing

Mod 8
10-25-2009, 08:39 AM
Hello drinker,

It seems that you have returned to the same point you were at when you were banned.

Could you tell me what your post has to do with the topic of this thread? 5 pages of mod/member arguments? Could you please tell me where they are because I certainly do not see them. And then you bring up legal and advertising questions that have nothing to do with this thread in any way. All in all, not a very good start to your return.

Just a small word of advice, if you are banned again it will not be for a month, it will be permanent. If I were you, I would conduct myself accordingly and stay away from rambling, off topic posts in the future as well as trying to promote another board.

This is your one and only warning.

Mod 8


so after reading 5 pages of mod member arguments i figured check the blue
and no thread whatsoever im sure if some of you have info that you would like to share there are places where it can be done hint hint

on the other hand if an agency were to sue this board for whatever reason it would probably
make front page of journal de montreal and cause amazing morning show ethics debates

if an advertiser here on merb where to promote a 22 year old sp in the advertizing section
and she gets to my house and i see she's more like 29 can i sue the board for letting its
advertisers knowingly produce false information on this board

well i hope i don't get another month suspension for general shit disturbing

hankypanky
10-31-2009, 01:42 PM
Sorry what happened Erase...but bbbj is a no go from from now on..seems like lots of stuff is going around these days...and if you are still in contact with these agencies, and they refuse to prove or disprove you, then that should be a red flag and they should be labeled imo.

indisguyz
11-03-2009, 06:14 PM
I've been hobbying on and off since 1997 with no problems. Came across this story and had to post. Recently came back from a trip and had symptoms. Got tested and it was positive for G.

Worst part is I passed it onto my wife...

Let's just say it's not a good story.

OnUrGspot
11-03-2009, 06:32 PM
I've been hobbying on and off since 1997 with no problems. Came across this story and had to post. Recently came back from a trip and had symptoms. Got tested and it was positive for G.

Worst part is I passed it onto my wife...

Let's just say it's not a good story.

Man....more and more of these stories/cases are being written on the "boards" these days!


DA_

hankypanky
11-05-2009, 04:15 AM
I've been hobbying on and off since 1997 with no problems. Came across this story and had to post. Recently came back from a trip and had symptoms. Got tested and it was positive for G.

Worst part is I passed it onto my wife...

Let's just say it's not a good story.

hmmm..trip from where, MTL? What actions do you think caused this, bbbj? If you could narrow it down to the sps you saw you should contact the agencies and inform them just in case.


Man....more and more of these stories/cases are being written on the "boards" these days!


DA_

Yeah no kidding...yikes.:eek:

dickgozinya
01-11-2010, 09:29 AM
I will weigh in again on this subject as I did on another post because i think it merits considerable dialog/thoughts. I was on vacation a few years back in Germany and went to an FKK. I had two encounters, both covered intercourse and both BBBJ. The second girl gave me a demonic BBBJ with somewhat painful sucking action and I finished in her mouth. I went back home showing no signs or symptoms of any problems, but I still went into an anonymnous clinic to get a quick test for STD's. I'm very glad I did. The results (some 5 days after my FKK experience) were positive for Gonnorhea. Again, I had NO SYMPTOMS. I explained to the elderly lady at the clinic that I didn't think it was possible to contract G from a blowjob. She told me the virus can live, and live well inside a person's throat with no symptoms to that person. I was given a single antibiotic pill for G and given a two week dose of antibiotics for Chlymidia even though I hadn't tested positive for that. Supposedly, the two often go hand in hand.....lovely! Shortly after I took the pill, green pus shot out of my dick into my underwear. I would decribe it as my dick having a terrible cold.......disgusting! It definitely confirmed my diagnosis. What I learned from this experience.......
You absolutely can contract Gonorrhea from a BBBJ
I don't know if CIM increases chances but I think it might
You can have G and feel no pain or see no pus
On a side note, since this poster experienced symptoms, it is highly unlikely he caught G from provider 1. Most likely from his most recent encounter. While I still hobby occasionally, I do not practice BBBJ for obvious reasons.

chex
05-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Hello:

I am late in sending in this message, but I also had my 1st EVER, in my life encounter with a SP, and I too caught Gonorrhea from her, from her doing a BBBJ about 6 months ago. The overall experience with the SP was not positive, I was nervous and barely able to to get it up, she did a lot of work on me trying to get me going. I only did one hour, and did not attempt to do PIV. Immediately afterwards I felt stinging in my hole, and I instantly was concerned that I caught something, and it just started stinging and hurting worse for the next few days until I went to the clinic and got it checked out, and sure enough, I had gonorrhea and had to take drugs to get it cleared up.

I regret her not using a condom. I ironically had JUST read this thread posting before the experience, but she didn't offer for the BBBJ, so I followed her lead. I followed up with the agency in question, and had to make several calls to them before they acknowledged to me that the SP was no longer working for them, it was all taken care of, and that was it. At one point I was told I would be compensated for my troubles, and then next the last time I called, nothing. It was a pretty sad experience, and makes me never really want to do it again, unless I could get a SP I want.

I was trying to get a certain SP, but she was never available over a 3 week window, so I chose a different SP, and I was not that attracted to her at all, very short, and stocky with large boobs, a real turn-off for me.

So that was my unfortunate experience, if anyone has any feedback or advice for me on how to have a better experience next time, please let me know.

- Chex




I had two encounters with girls from well-known outcall services, and five days after the second I came down with a serious case of the Clap (ironic, since I was doing this for years with no obvious problems). To compound things I was out of the country and was not able to get treated until three days after the onset of symptoms. This was not fun - day one was pus and painful urination. Day three involved blood. Yuck.

smellowman
05-04-2010, 04:14 PM
My feedback is (and not meant to offend in any way), don't go F'ing around with anyone you don't know. Don't do SP's, MP's, SW's or strippers. For the most part, these are all women in a high risk (sexually that is) profession. Play it safe and try to find a lover on a dating website or something like that and only sleep with her once you've gotten to know her. I've been in your shoes before so I understand what you feel. But the reality is, that if you want to avoid any of these "unfortunate experiences" as you put it, just avoid putting yourself in those risky situations.

That's worked for me!

Kansas Frank
10-15-2010, 04:55 PM
Erase -- hope you're doing well. Sorry for you pain. So, are you fully cured. I love DATY and DFK. But like everyone on this thread said if the Y does not smell or look right, don't engage in DATY.

sexxxymtl
12-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Ok.. Easiest way of honestly checking and you love to have bbj sans condom... Make moves like you are caressing there neck.. You feel a lump that is a bit to big then make a judgment call... (We all know how to check to see if a women smells down there with out going down there) If you really want to know... Tell her to open her mouth by a light and look to see if you see something funky growing in her mouth.... I'm smart with all the calls I do.. And if I see something isn't right I don't go there.. But I'm also one who when I get my STD test done every 3 months I also ask them to do a full std culture orally too...

I am now prepared for the PMs or comment directed to me here.. lol

lgna69xxx
12-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Welcome back Lisa, where have you been?


Ok.. Easiest way of honestly checking and you love to have bbj sans condom... Make moves like you are caressing there neck.. You feel a lump that is a bit to big then make a judgment call... (We all know how to check to see if a women smells down there with out going down there) If you really want to know... Tell her to open her mouth by a light and look to see if you see something funky growing in her mouth.... I'm smart with all the calls I do.. And if I see something isn't right I don't go there.. But I'm also one who when I get my STD test done every 3 months I also ask them to do a full std culture orally too...

I am now prepared for the PMs or comment directed to me here.. lol

sexxxymtl
12-14-2010, 09:26 PM
LOL... out and about and playing... lol...

lgna69xxx
12-14-2010, 09:36 PM
as long as your having fun :)


LOL... out and about and playing... lol...

Mod 11
12-14-2010, 10:01 PM
Come on people, this isn't the chit-chat tread.